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#19 fuse short to ground

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#1 ·
Hi all,
I just finished a head- off valve job and took my 2007 RTL around a two mile “victory lap” during which It ran beautifully. I pulled the RL into the garage to clear any codes and check for leaks. I plugged in a Bluetooth donagle and it wouldn’t synch to my iPhone app. After trying my phone and my wife’s phone, I pulled out the module from the diagnostic port. The truck would crank but not start! I found the #19 fuse in the driver’s footwell fuse panel was blown. According to my book, that fuse is for: Immobilizer Control Unit Receiver, IMOES Unit, Powertrain Control Module (PCM), PGM-FI Main relay #2 Fuel Pump, PGM-FI Main Relay #2. I replaced the fuse only to have it immediately blow again as soon as I turned the ignition on. I probed the fuse panel and the output side of that fuse is a direct short to ground ( key off)
So far I have :
1. Disconnected the plug in backseat to fuel pump/ gauge, visually checked the wire bundles going to backseat. All wires still wrapped in flex conduit, no signs of wear or trauma. Fuse blew again with plug disconnected.
2. Disconnected the Throttle body
3. Dropped down the OBD (Data Link) and checked the wiring for freys or crispy spots. Even eventually got my Diagnostics module firmware (code reader) up-dated and synched with my phone- works well and showed no codes.
4. Pulled out the PGM-FI relays R-3 and R-5 checked for crispies and solonoid clicks and proper operation.
5. Searched the engine bay for loose, wires, plugs, grounds, pinched wires, etc.
6. Looked around both exhausts for wires that may have strayed too close.

During the valve job, I did a very tidy job, re-routing the wires in exactly the factory mounts, clips, and sheathing. Took before and after photos to get everything routed and anchored correctly.
Nothing I have done so far has fixed that short to ground on fuse 19.
Why did it start on first try, run two miles, and then blow a fuse in my garage on the 3rd or fourth restart?
Anybody had something similar happen- Ideas to try?
Jeff
2007 RTL
152,000 mi
 
#2 · (Edited)
I've done more electrical work on cars over the years than I care to mention and a problem like this is the worst, clearly something happend during your engine repair, I would do a second, comprehensive physical inspection of wiring/harnesses/connectors for damaged insulation, crimping or breaks. Something happened to circuity during your "vidtory lap" no doubt. Did you pull out and leave out the associated relays and THEN check for ground at the fuse ?

After that its prob some painstaking time with a schematic and voltmeter...
I can tell you after troubleshooting an "immobilizer" issue on a 2002 Thunderbird that the wiring is complicated, over-engineered but I wish you the best. If all else fails it might be a trip to specialists that deal with such things, if so contact your car insurance company; it won't be cheap.
 
#3 ·
Thanks fdeno,
I did check the fuse situation with the relays out, and the ground short was still there. I’d like to back-check the wires from each device served by the #19 fuse, but I’d need a wiring diagram to find the wires, and to know which pins were normally grounded, and which should not be. Anyone have a diagram they would share?
 
#4 ·
Ugh - I hate these types of problems, I use something like this for troubleshooing so I'm not constantly blowing/changing fuses:
 
#5 ·
Ok! Update on the #19 Fuse problem. I had a friend helping me and I hooked up a spare taillight bulb to a hot lead grounded to the fuse terminal. If we wiggled the correct wire, the theory was that the light would go out or at least blink on and off a little. (the problem fuse was a dead short to ground). It took my friend about two minutes to find the right area, and the light went out momentarily! I had nicked the wiring cable during the valve job…(yeah I feel like an idiot!). Hopes this helps someone. As stupid as I feel, I am happy to be on the fix, rather than the hunt.
 
#6 ·
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My telltale light bulb that would tell me when I moved something that would un-ground the fuse. I took the blown fuse and soldered the red wire on the output side of the fuse (short to ground) and soldered a battery + lead to the other terminal of the bulb. The light would stay lit until I moved the grounded wire.
 

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